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Wednesday, August 17, 2005

The Shame of The Leaders of Israel and the United States of America...

What other President of the United States of America besides George W. Bush would just look on and say or do nothing while the citizens of Israel, the only friend America has in the Middle East, are forcibly removed from their homes!

What other Israli Premier besides the liar and coward, Ariel Sharon, would allow his own people to be forcibly evicted from their own homes!

Be careful, World, Islam is winning!



Blogger Calamity Man said...

no one should be forcibly removed from anywhere.

your last statement scares me.

i'm a muslim and i have no desire to rid the world of "infidels" and blowing myself to pieces just to achieve that.

i'm not a terrorist. most muslims do not share the same view nor support the actions of the radical muslim troublemakers.

i, like most muslims in this world vote for peace.

9:32 AM  
Blogger CA said...

Mr Loobz,
I think you are a nice person and I believe you but I also know how Islam was forced on people by Mohammed at the threat of death. And how, except for the Christian Crusades, most of Europe would now be ruled by Islam. No nation is ruled by Christians. And how many Muslim leaders are speaking out and comdemning the terrorists? How can terrorists hide their activities among other Muslims, the ones who are supposed to be good people, and no one turns them in to the authorities?

I'm sorry, but I have to call it like I see it. Christians don't kill people to force them to be Christians. If a Christian decides to become a Muslim or anything else, he isn't executed for it as some have been for changing from Islam to Christianity.I read the Koran and study Islam on occassion. I don't get a good feeling from it. I suggest you do the same with the Holy Bible. Check out what Jesus says we should do. How we should be.

10:50 AM  
Blogger sandy said...

I would like to believe that most muslims are peaceful and love their fellow man. BUT, I've seen to many dancing in the street, celebrating and burning the American flag when the radical muslims manage to kill "infidels" and innocent civilians.

Sorry mr loobz, but I don't hear you denouncing those people.

9:15 PM  
Blogger Calamity Man said...

i denounce this.

i denounce any form of violence against anyone.

all these violence are unnecessary.

9:55 AM  
Blogger Ken said...

I agree with you completely. This is an atrocity what is happening to the Israeli people. Israel will pull out of Gaza and it will not buy them one iota of good will among Palestinians. They don't want just Gaza they want it all and every Jew out of there.

10:55 AM  
Blogger Kilgore Trout said...

Im not sure that there is any solution to the israel problem. I did see recently the original plans and they seemed like a good idea. That plan called for about half Israeli and half Palistinian and have Jerusalem as an international zone. This seems like a good idea although im not sure that you could implement it today without widespread anger.

8:45 AM  
Blogger Kilgore Trout said...

I grew up in a small town and one of my closest friends was jewish and later in highschool i became friends with a muslim. We went on a trip to europe with the highschool and while we were in france we meet to arab men in full islamic dress. This was my first experience with a devout muslim, my friend walked over and spoke to them. i wont lie i was nervous but the two men came over and hugged us both and gave far and away the warmest welcome ive ever had from a stranger. If i had walked up to a random christian in a forgien country and said hello and id like you to meet my muslim friend i dont believe i would have recieved the same reaction. While yes I belive there is a level of violence in islam, it is my understanding that Mohammed did speak of killing infidels. There is violence in every religion. The difference i see is that when a muslim attacks the US they are called terrorists or muslim extremeist. when Timothy McVeigh blew up the building in Oklahoma he was not called a christian extremeist. Im not sure how to end this violence but i am quite sure that killing more people is not the way to stop it.

8:59 AM  
Blogger CA said...

Arthur Dent, if you are really interested in knowing about Islam and Muslims, you need to study the history. Mohammed was an Arab and decided the Arabs needed their own religion so he thought up the muslim religion and Islam, the Koran. At first no one including most of his own family didn't want anything to do with his new religion so, after he formed his army of several hundred soldiers,(which grew into thousands) he went from town to town (mostly North Africa at first) and told them they would either become Muslims or he would kill them. He killed hundreds of thousands of preople who wouldn't convert. In at least one village he had all the men lined up against a wall and made the women and children watch while he cut off their heads. When they got to Greece, the king of Greece sent for help to Britain and the British started the Christian Crusades. If they haden't come along, we might all be talking islam right now. Below is a quote from the Dinner Table of the Koran.
"[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Any questions?

5:10 PM  
Blogger CA said...

By the way, after reading your post, I sincerely hope you do not claim to be a Christian. Christians DO NO KILL people who decide to be muslims or anything else. Muslims DO KILL PEOPLE WHO CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY. A man was beheaded for converting to Christianity in Saudia Arabia during the first Gulf War while we were there defending the Saudis.
And why do you think Timothy McViegh was a Christian?
"McVeigh didn't kill with the sanction of Christian theology or belief, which has no doctrine remotely close to jihad, and millions of Christians didn't dance in the streets after the bombing in Oklahoma City — could stand as a textbook example of this logical fallacy."
This is a quote from BigDog's House.

5:36 PM  
Blogger Kilgore Trout said...

first in my post I stated that yes there is violence in the Islamic religion. Im not sure of the exact extent but yes much of the early spread of Islam was with violence and war. What I simply trying to explain a time when I met total strangers that were muslim and they were extremely friendly. I wasnt endorsing Islam im not saying its a better religion or anything like that. I just believe that this bitter racism that we have in this country against Arabs is not going to help anything. And now we have Pat Robertson saying we need to assasinate the president of venezuela. Sorry he didnt say those words he said "if the president of venezuela thinks we're trying to assainate him, than maybe we should." thats still a paraphrase but its close enough. one other little question.
Didnt the catholic church have the inquisition? where they tortured people who wouldnt convert to christianity?
Oh and I like the statement about saudi arabia, i hadnt heard that before but i will belive it. i had heard of the beheading just never knew why. So why do we still suport Saudi Arabia a fundamentalist country that kills its own people, oh and most of the 9/11 hijackers were from saudi arabia. just something to think about. i gotta go, have a good one eveybody

6:51 AM  
Blogger CA said...

Good point on the Inquisition. And, yes, it was the Catholic Church. As I recall, no other church encouraged that.

Of course, the catholic church also has a history. When the leader of Rome saw there was no way to stop the spread of Christianity, he decided he'd better get on the band wagon and get control of the situation so he formed the Catholic Church. It was formed as just another way to control the citizens of Rome and surrounding areas. And it worked pretty well. He put his own rules and regulations in place (Refer to Priests as 'Father", canonize Mother Mary as a conduit to God, sprinkle water for baptism while the child is still an infant)and had them in rote (Hail Mary's, etc.) so they would be easier to memorize, and so, obey.(The Bible says, "Call no man Father ; you have but one Father, your Father which is in Heaven) something like that...

That, of course, was only the Catholic Church and not Christianity in general.

Pat might have a point...he is a private citizen and entitled to his opinion.

Last but not least, I'd like to see Bush go to Saudia Arabia and grab the leader, whomever that is now, by the collar and say, "We're out of here. As long as terrorists keep coming out of Arabia and you keep the price of oil at outrageous rates, I'm taking my soldiers home and the New Iraq can come in to here and Kuwait and take over the whole bunch of you!"

11:58 AM  

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